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Tompink
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Tompink
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 25, 2003 - 11:11 am: | |
I recently ordered a K98 German Rifle from Southern Ohio Gun. In their advertisements they show the Nazi eagle on top of a globe with a swastica inside of the globe. The actual gun I received only has the Nazi eagle.
Did anyone get a gun with the markings exactly as pictured in SOG advertisements? I am happy with the rifle and I guess I should not have expected it to have swasticas on it for $199. But isn't this a misleading advertisement to show a picture of it with an eagle/swastica? |
Mark_a
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Mark_a
Post Number: 4
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 25, 2003 - 10:03 pm: | |
What year is your rifle? Are the swasticas peened out? Early guns had the Weimar eagles but no swasticas. |
Tom_beatley
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Tom_beatley
Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 1:05 am: | |
We need to be careful here! There are some fakes coming in. First-off,K98 means Karibaner 98,otherwise the Mauser rifle that was issued in the early 1900's until the advent of the Nazi regime. There are several variations. However, the Modell 98K, which was the final issue of the Mauser 98, was made in the 1930's thru 1945 with secret coded manfacturing dates and company names to hide the intent of the Nazi regime. So... a genuine 98K will have the short (carbine) barrel, a side mounted, recessed, sling system, and a turned-down bolt handle. It will also have code letters/numbers indicating place of manufacture and date. As the war situation became worse (as we whipped their asses!) the quality of proof marking became worse. So..a Mauser rifle that has a manufacturer's name and a date on it, and so-called Nazi proof marks is a fake! In contrast, a genuine 98K that bears a coded place of manfacture/date may have "funny" proof marks, depending on when it was made, but if anything is peened-out it becomes highly suspect! |
Tompink
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Tompink
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 10:14 am: | |
Mine is coded 147 and marked 1938. It also has the crossed rifles on it which I understand was placed on it by the Russians when it was captured.
It shoots a little high at 100 yards. If I aim under the target I hit it. After shooting it, I see why Russians had flasks of vodka. It seems to have much more recoil than my .308 or Springfield. |
Tom_beatley
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Tom_beatley
Post Number: 14
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 11:44 am: | |
"147" does not appear in my list of manufacturer codes; so you have an "unknown", as the book calls them. The 98K's were battle sighted to be on target in the 200-300 yard range (in meters of course) so shooting high at 100 is normal. |
Mark_a
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Mark_a
Post Number: 5
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 26, 2003 - 6:17 pm: | |
147 is the code for J.P.Sauer & Sohn, Suhl. 1938 is the year that they switched over from the Weimar style proofs to the nazi style, it is also the year that most manufacturers dropped the S from their codes. Early 1938 rifles have S/147. You can replace your front sight with a taller one to change POA. |
Roysclockgun
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Username: Roysclockgun
Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 9:22 am: | |
When an early Gewehr 98 bears Third Reich marking, this is not evidence that the piece has been faked. While I agree that Third Reich items have, for years been faked, we need to be careful what we, out of hand, label "fake". I have viewed documented rifles bearing Imperial German markings, Weimar markings along with Third Reich markings. When the Third Reich began to, secretly rearm in the mid-1930s, they had already pressed into service all early Gewehr pieces that could be found. In fact, the SS, who began rearming before the Wehrmacht, carried Gewehr 98 rifles long after the 98k rifles were available. It is SS marks over which I am most suspect. No proof has surfaced that any national attempts were made by the Third Reich to mark rifles as "SS" property. Only unit markings attempt to mark their rifles as "SS". Since this was done at the unit level, it is very difficult to ID "real" SS markings against "fakes". One of my uncles, who was held over in Germany following his combat duties during WWII, viewed a number of small, basement factories that remarked pieces with the "SS" runes. Even in 1945-46, pieces marked with the "SS" runes were highly prized and so, the Germans continued to manufacture these "artifacts".
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