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Cr_bearcat
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Cr_bearcat
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 1:51 pm: | |
New guy again. Another rifle I'm interested in is the Czech VZ-24. AIM has it in over all "good" condition for $70, $80 if I get the Lion's Crest on the reciever. I've got a 1891/30 Mosin-Nagant. This would be my first Mauser. I'm looking to get a qualtity 8mm Mauser for frequent shooting that looks alright. I've been told that the Czechs make good quality firearms. What to you guys think about this gun and the price? Is their anything I should be looking at closely on this firearm? What can I expect from AIM in "good" condition? And, here is my inexperience coming through, what is a large ring action? |
Cruffler
Victim of Crufflestopheles
Username: Cruffler
Post Number: 65
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 2:44 pm: | |
For a shooter, try to find a Yugo M48 or M48A. They are usually in very good to like new condition, and with very very nice bores. Good shooters.
Adam
Adam C. Firestone
Editor-in-Chief
CRUFFLER.COM
http://www.cruffler.com |
Yodar
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Yodar
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 5:24 pm: | |
How good is your vision?
MY VZ 24 original miltary rear-sight has a notch only the young or those like me who have microscopes can see...It REALLY tiny...makes it a nonshooting finely crafted short rifle. I'm gonna hafta get some Millet rear sight base mounts and put either a red dot or a LER 4x scope...havent shot my VZ 24 in a year
Yodar |
Coopdilligaf
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Username: Coopdilligaf
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 12:23 pm: | |
Got my Yugo M48A at a gunshow for $120. Arsenal kept, it seemed to be brand new... A beutiful rifle! Have shot 75 rounds through it so far, and it is a tack driver! at 300 yards, I was hitting head shots on a half body target.
A fantastic rifle. I'd have to say the Mauser is THE BEST bolt rifle out there.
I'm looking into getting another one, and I'm going to try to barrel it in 7.62..... |
Jabaker
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Username: Jabaker
Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 19, 2002 - 3:30 pm: | |
I bought my M48 at a gunshow as well and it came with about 50 rounds of ammo, a cleaning kit and leather ammo pouch and sling. A great deal on a great vg-ex condition rifle. I love mine. |
Becoole
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Username: Becoole
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 3:36 pm: | |
I saw the vz-24s that AIM is selling. I didn't like them. Wood looked like creek rocks and the metal had little to no bluing. For as little as $100, you can find rifles in far superior shape if you look around a little. I saw a vz-24 a couple weeks ago at a show that was 95%+ blue with a VG stock & bore for only $130. |
Stan63dt
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Username: Stan63dt
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 6:55 pm: | |
No one answered Cr_bearcat's last question, "what is a large ring action?" I'm waiting for the answer also.
By the way, Cr_bearcat, I just now returned home and there is a package on the porch from AIM with a K31 (my second)and a VZ24. Gonna go open it and I'll let you know the condition. |
Fuzzbean
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Username: Fuzzbean
Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:40 pm: | |
The "ring" of an action is the part where the barrel screws in. That is, the front 1.5 inch or so of the receiver. In Mauser-type actions, the frontally-located locking lugs also lock directly into the ring, confining all the stresses of firing to this one area.
The earlier types of smokeless-powder Mausers, such as the M89 Belgian, M91 Argentine, M93 Spanish, M95 Chilean, and M96 Swedish, are all "small ring." On these actions, the receiver ring is the same diameter as the width of the rear "bridge" section of the action. About 1.300" I think. The barrel threads in these actions are all around .980" or .985" major diameter.
Most M1898 Mausers have a ring that steps out to a noticeably larger diameter than the rest of the receiver, out to about 1.410" diameter. And the barrel thread is around 1.100" diameter. There are some exceptions, however. One model had the M98 action but with the small ring dimensions, and had other features designed to reduce the weight of rifles issued to mountain troops. Some of the Turkish Mausers coming in lately have the large ring action cut with more-or-less small ring threads.
There are many other important differences between the M98 Mauser and the earlier models besides the ring diameter, but that's probably the most obvious looking at the outside of the action. |
Cr_bearcat
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Cr_bearcat
Post Number: 6
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 9:05 am: | |
Thanks, for all the input everyone.
Brian F. Horton
Aerospace Engineering Student
Universtiy of Cincinnati |
Whb99
Ink's Still Wet on My License!
Username: Whb99
Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 9:46 pm: | |
my m48a shot a foot or so high with equador surpus 196gr fmj (poor groups) and S&B 196 gr soft points(EXCELLENT groups!). i replaced the front sight with one from a venezuelan FN-made parts gun, which was taller, now it's dead on, and with the turk 150gr stuff too(reasonable groups there) i've heard others have noted this too. anyone know what's up here? Just wondering... |
Jwmathews
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Username: Jwmathews
Post Number: 12
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 5:46 pm: | |
You asked about the Czech rifle. Some of these were sold to Yugoslavia & subsequently reworked to remove the original mfrs marks & replaced with the Yugo seal on the chamber & "Preducze 44" on the left side of the receiver. These are designated as (Yugo) M24/47 or M 24/52. Many of these are available around $150 + or - & some can be had in quite nice shape.
But you need to decide if you want the rifle as a collector or shooter, & also what country's marks you prefer.
The original Czech rifles were all very well made. I think the tooling probably came from Germany after WW1 when many of the factories making the Gewehr 98s (1898 Mauser long rifles) were shut down. The Czech steel indusry was one of Europe's finest, & the quality of Czech steel was well-respected. The country was noted for high-quality heavy machinery, tools, locomotives & other steel products. Brno had & still has a fine reputation as a mfr opf quality arms.
I think the Lion Crest is one of the nicest-looking national emblems ever applied to firearms. I bought a CZ 24 a few years back. the metal is grayish patina rather than dark blue, but I outlined the Lion Crest with silver model paint & it does look elegant.
If you order by mail, ask about the seller's return policy. Might cost you return shipping if the rifle is "as advertised" & you just don't like it--but there is a difference beyween "as advertised" & condition being misrepresented, in which case seller should pay return shipping. I've found AIM to be accurate in their descriptions & good to deal with.
But just don't expect original Czech rifles to be in "mint" condition. |
Rhett
There's still space on my credit card.
Username: Rhett
Post Number: 43
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 9:40 pm: | |
I bought one from Aim several months, I believe 11/2002. First C&R purchase.
I like Aim Surplus.The VZ-24 has very little finish and the wood is not in "the best shape".
Try a Yugo M24/47 from J&G Sales in AZ if they are still available. About the same price as the VZ-24. Nice finish and wood and nice slick action. Just IMHO YMMV. |
Jacobite
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Username: Jacobite
Post Number: 1
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 8:12 pm: | |
I just got a K-31 and a VZ24 from militarygunsupply.com and am pleased.
The VZ was in pretty rough shape cracked handguard and beat up stock as well as some rust and pitting. BUT the bore was fine. Just a bit frosted. For $59 I was not expecting much but wanted a beater rifle for my brother to shoot. He is one of those leaches that likes to hang out but never has a rifle or money for ammo. I got tired of him shooting all my .308 and .223 up in my auto loaders. After shooting it and seeing it shot fairly well i deciede to fix it up a bit. Well I stripped the stock and steamed the dents, lightly sanded it and gave it some boiled linseed oil and glued the cracks. It looks just fine. As for the metal, I buffed the rusted spots and hit the whole thing with cold blue. Then I polished the bolt to a bright shine. While it is no trophy I am very pleased. One thing is that the rear sight starts at 300 meters. I plan on installing a Mojo sight on it.
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Jimbeam
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Username: Jimbeam
Post Number: 2
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 1:52 pm: | |
I just got a K-31 and VZ-24, both hand selected, from AIM and they are in incredible shape. K-31 has 95% finish remaining. As with all the K-31 I have seen the wood has some dings. THe VZ-24 looks new but the wood is very dry and has a rough texture. |