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| Eduardo
Ink's Still Wet on My License! Username: Eduardo Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hi Adam I'm Eduardo from Argentina, Remember me? How bigger is your site! It has improved indeed in the last time!! I've found ten Monitor Rifle in an old police arsenal in my country chambered IN 7,65 ARGENTINIAN MAUSER with a large compensator at the muzzle (original and "MINT"). I know that this rifle is the law enforcement version of the Browning Automatic Rifle, but I can't find more information about this. Can you help me? When was the Monitor created? Who manufactures it? Which are the models? Thank for the space to contact us Regards Eduardo Argentina | ||
| Cruffler
Victim of Crufflestopheles Username: Cruffler Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2002 |
Hi Eduardo! How could I forget? Thank you for the compliments on the site. I'd KILL for one of those Monitors! The Monitor was a variant of the Colt Automatic Machine Rifle, which was the commercial version of the BAR marketed by Colt in a number of variations between the early 1920's and WWII. The factory designation for the Monitor was R80, and it was introduced in 1931 in response to reports that police roadblocks equipped with .45 ACP Thompson submachineguns were being routinely run by large heavy beer trucks. The .30-06 Monitor was quite capable of splitting engine blocks and stopping the trucks. The Monitor was geared specifically for the law enforcement market, and was also the first offical FBI fighting rifle. The Monitor was a direct descendant of the Model 1918 Browning Machine Rifle, but there were a number of key differences: The receiver was fitted with a pistol grip and ejection port cover, it was some 4 to 4.5 pounds lighter, and had a barrel that was only 18" long. The compensator you note is a Cutts compensator made by the Lyman Gun Sight Company, and made the Monitor surprisingly controllable in full automatic more. Cyclic rate of fire was 500 rounds per minute. The Monitor was produced up to about 1940, with about 125 total being produced. With respect to shipments of 7.65mm BAR type guns to Argentina, there were many, but here are the relevant ones: June 13, 1933, seven 7.65mm guns were shipped to F.C. Rasetti y Cia September 20, 1933, two 7.65mm guns were shipped to Angel Muzzioe Hijos, Lda. December 12, 1933, two 7.65mm guns were shipped to F.C. Rasetti y Cia April 11, 1934, seven 7.65mm guns were shipped to F.C. Rasetti y Cia June 25, 1934, one 7.65mm gun was shipped to F.C. Rasetti y Cia Anyway, that should answer your questions (or create new ones) Let me know if this helps. Take care, Adam Adam C. Firestone Editor-in-Chief CRUFFLER.COM http://www.cruffler.com | ||
| Eduardo
Ink's Still Wet on My License! Username: Eduardo Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2002 |
Thanks Adam!! I've no idea about that information!! In the books of the police arsenal, the date of the rifles entrance was in 1934. This was bought to the Rasetti armory (today, no longer it exists) Thanks for your complete answer Eduardo | ||
| Eduardo
Ink's Still Wet on My License! Username: Eduardo Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2002 |
I take this photo of the Monitor rifle (I'm bad with the camera) One question Adam Why the Monitor is called Monitor? What the name means? On the top of the receiver the marks said: "Colt Automatic Rifle Model R80 Cal 7,65  | ||
| Tom_beatley
Ink's Still Wet on My License! Username: Tom_beatley Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2002 |
The word "monitor" comes from the latin word "monere", meaning 'to warn'. In our language 'monitor' came to mean things like 'dangerous' or 'deadly'. Hence: monitor lizards, monitor battleships, and finally, monitor firearms.The word also acquired a meaning about 'spying'. I guess this means something about our use of computer monitors! | ||
| Honduras_harry
Ink's Still Wet on My License! Username: Honduras_harry Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2002 |
What a find! In my opinion, this may be one of the finest shoulder-fired full auto weapons ever. It is a close cousin to the BAR, but much smaller overall. Ad Topperwein made a big splash when he demonstrated the BAR for the US Military for Browning by shooting skeet with an unmodified version. This big rifle would be great for several things, a collection being only one. Great posting! | ||
| Eduardo
Ink's Still Wet on My License! Username: Eduardo Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hi Adam! Can you tell me something about this serial number in a 7,65 Monitor?? The "C" letter its the serie? exists some information about the serial numbers of the 7.65 Monitor? Thanks Eduardo | ||
| Eduardo
Ink's Still Wet on My License! Username: Eduardo Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2002 |
I forget the image.....  | ||
| Jwmathews Ink's Still Wet on My License! Username: Jwmathews Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hi Eduardo--I think the "C" prefix to the s/n means "Commercial." Colt did this for the 1911 Government Model 45 pistols for civilian sale to distinguish them from military orders. I think this practice continued until the 1968 Gun Control Act became law that December, or maybe even longer--don't have source data handy at the moment. But the practice was definitely in effect prior to WW2, and your Monitor was made before that. Hope this helps--you sure made a find there. I would imagine you are in the Argentine police or military, to be able to own such a gun? |